JWest is pulling away with this thing in all formats. No big changes; Brian's offense dropped, as did mine. Jeff got more power, I jumped 2 spots up in ERA, and JWest is climbing in steals.
Justin: 67
Brian: 57
Josh: 53
Jeff: 49
Aaron: 45
Travis: 44
Friday, August 24, 2007
Thursday, August 23, 2007
using the playoffs
I may have figured out a way to use the last 3 weeks of the season, and still give the crown to the regular season champ. After next week, we post the w/l totals on the bloog. The 1 and 2 seeds (JWest and Aaron right now) get a bye, so let's give them the same score for the week. That way all 6 of us get a score that week, without making the top two seeds play each other, which would be dumb. Week 2 of the playoffs is easy because all 6 teams play, and the last week 2 teams don't play, so we'll figure something out, even if we have to score it ourselves. This way we use the playoff format but still just tack on w's and l's.
If you guys like this, all we have to agree on is what score to give the top 2 seeds. It should be a reward, but nothing over the top; it should mostly just guarentee they don't lose points. 8-7, maybe even 9-6. (Two of the other teams should score at least 8 points that week too, although we have seen someone win with 6-7 points). How about 8-6-1.
Maybe the tourney champ gets a 5 win bonus for winnng it all. Let me know what you think.
If you guys like this, all we have to agree on is what score to give the top 2 seeds. It should be a reward, but nothing over the top; it should mostly just guarentee they don't lose points. 8-7, maybe even 9-6. (Two of the other teams should score at least 8 points that week too, although we have seen someone win with 6-7 points). How about 8-6-1.
Maybe the tourney champ gets a 5 win bonus for winnng it all. Let me know what you think.
Wednesday, August 22, 2007
J.West 3.0 (Keeper System)
Here is how my keeper system works, even though Josh probably laid it out in one paragraph far better then I can.
At the end of the year we use some sort of player rankings based on performance (either yahoo rankings, or espn player rater) and then we divide the players up by 6s. Thus the players who are ranked 1-6 = a first round pick players 7-12 are worth a 2nd round pick, ETC...
At the end of the year, you can keep 5 players, no salary cap or anything like that. The only catch is that you can only keep one 1st rounder. If you have two 2nd rounders you want to keep, you can keep both of them, only you have to take one of them with your 1st round pick.
This continues throughout the draft, if you have two 4th rounders you want to keep, you can keep them, but you have to take one of them in the 3rd round and the other in the 4th round.
Like I said in my post yesterday, don't stress if you have 2 guys worth 1st round picks, as you can see just because a player is a 1st rounder this year does not mean he will be next year.
The advantage of this system is it will give different managers different philosophies when it comes to keepers. For example Aaron might decide to keep more of his elite talent, Like Reyes, Wright and Ichiro in the first three rounds, where as I'm going to keep some of my injured or under preforming players like Sheets (19th round) Atkins (12th) Pujols (4th).
Sorry this post was so long, any questions please post them and we can work them out.
At the end of the year we use some sort of player rankings based on performance (either yahoo rankings, or espn player rater) and then we divide the players up by 6s. Thus the players who are ranked 1-6 = a first round pick players 7-12 are worth a 2nd round pick, ETC...
At the end of the year, you can keep 5 players, no salary cap or anything like that. The only catch is that you can only keep one 1st rounder. If you have two 2nd rounders you want to keep, you can keep both of them, only you have to take one of them with your 1st round pick.
This continues throughout the draft, if you have two 4th rounders you want to keep, you can keep them, but you have to take one of them in the 3rd round and the other in the 4th round.
Like I said in my post yesterday, don't stress if you have 2 guys worth 1st round picks, as you can see just because a player is a 1st rounder this year does not mean he will be next year.
The advantage of this system is it will give different managers different philosophies when it comes to keepers. For example Aaron might decide to keep more of his elite talent, Like Reyes, Wright and Ichiro in the first three rounds, where as I'm going to keep some of my injured or under preforming players like Sheets (19th round) Atkins (12th) Pujols (4th).
Sorry this post was so long, any questions please post them and we can work them out.
Housekeeping
Some things to tie up as the season wears down. We need to take some votes, and hopefully all 6 of us check the bloog. get the word out, esp to jeff, who i have never seen on the bloog:
1) vote for JWest's keeper system.
in case you've missed the boat, his system takes the final rankings from this year, breaks the guys into groups of 6 to denote their round, and lets you keep up to 5 of your guys, in the round in which they are designated. If you want to take 2 guys from the same round, you have to use the pick from the previous round. This means that if you have 2 guys projected in the first round, you can only keep one of them. JWest's post will tell you more.
2) buy the trophy
i think aaron is in charge of this. the bats were cheap enough that we think (and we can vote) that we can get a new one each year, rather than pass the trophy from year to year. this leads to the next topic...
3) cleaning up the end of the year mess
i may be the only one who thinks this is a problem. we have casually talked about giving the title to the regular season champ, as a h2h league with only 6 teams has a chance for a pretty random playoffs. i agree, that with 10-12 teams, our ranks would be more significant, not everyone would get into the playoffs, and the playoffs would be less up to chance. however, i don't think we can do this without a unanimous vote. it's bad form to change the rules this late unless everyone is onboard. in the long run, with a small league, we really should try to override the playoffs and just keep normal score all the way until the end. any braves fan will tell u the playoffs are shit anyway; we just have to be organized as a league.
4) football draft
again, get up with aaron, soon
1) vote for JWest's keeper system.
in case you've missed the boat, his system takes the final rankings from this year, breaks the guys into groups of 6 to denote their round, and lets you keep up to 5 of your guys, in the round in which they are designated. If you want to take 2 guys from the same round, you have to use the pick from the previous round. This means that if you have 2 guys projected in the first round, you can only keep one of them. JWest's post will tell you more.
2) buy the trophy
i think aaron is in charge of this. the bats were cheap enough that we think (and we can vote) that we can get a new one each year, rather than pass the trophy from year to year. this leads to the next topic...
3) cleaning up the end of the year mess
i may be the only one who thinks this is a problem. we have casually talked about giving the title to the regular season champ, as a h2h league with only 6 teams has a chance for a pretty random playoffs. i agree, that with 10-12 teams, our ranks would be more significant, not everyone would get into the playoffs, and the playoffs would be less up to chance. however, i don't think we can do this without a unanimous vote. it's bad form to change the rules this late unless everyone is onboard. in the long run, with a small league, we really should try to override the playoffs and just keep normal score all the way until the end. any braves fan will tell u the playoffs are shit anyway; we just have to be organized as a league.
4) football draft
again, get up with aaron, soon
Tuesday, August 21, 2007
Preview to my Keeper System
In order to preview my keeper system(which I hope to roll out tomorrow) (which I suspect some might not like because you wont be able to keep as many elite players as you would like) lets take a look back at this years first two rounds of the draft, and how they rank up up to this point.
ROUND 1
1. Pujols - 15
2. Soriano - 71
3. Reyes -6
4. Utley - 23
5. Santana - 10
6. A-Rod - 1
ROUND 2
7. Crawford - 22
8. Howard - 36
9. Ortiz - 30
10. Wright - 8
11. Vlad - 27
12. M.Cab - 11
So as you can see only 2 of the players drafted in the first round are playing like first rounders this year. And only two second rounders are playing like 2nd rounders this year. So taking a keeper out of the "elite" players is just as much a gamble as anyone else. I really think the value to a keeper league is to be had in this years under preforming players.
For example, I would much rather gamble on Soriano and Howard as keepers this year (while their stock is low) then I would say keep Maglio Ordoniez.
ROUND 1
1. Pujols - 15
2. Soriano - 71
3. Reyes -6
4. Utley - 23
5. Santana - 10
6. A-Rod - 1
ROUND 2
7. Crawford - 22
8. Howard - 36
9. Ortiz - 30
10. Wright - 8
11. Vlad - 27
12. M.Cab - 11
So as you can see only 2 of the players drafted in the first round are playing like first rounders this year. And only two second rounders are playing like 2nd rounders this year. So taking a keeper out of the "elite" players is just as much a gamble as anyone else. I really think the value to a keeper league is to be had in this years under preforming players.
For example, I would much rather gamble on Soriano and Howard as keepers this year (while their stock is low) then I would say keep Maglio Ordoniez.
Friday, August 17, 2007
keeper system 1.1
this one might be better, but you have to read the other first
Keeper System
Everyone has a budget of $24 (imagenary). There are only 2 types of players:
Vets: all players who was drafted in the open draft this year: $8
Rookies: anyone who was not picked up in the draft: $4
You can keep a max of 5 players.
For every year you keep a player, their cost rises $4.
Each player kept counts as a draft pick. (not totally sure what rounds keepers should count for yet, let's go with 1st round for Vets, 10th round for Rooks.)
Now by picking up a guy who went undrafted, you can keep him for $4 and loose a much less valuable pick, so not only can you keep young guys, but anyone no one trusted enough to draft (Magglio, Griffey, etc). after this year their value will go up $4 and cost a first round pick like anyone else. it's like signing a vet for the minimum and gettinng a nice return
Keeper System
Everyone has a budget of $24 (imagenary). There are only 2 types of players:
Vets: all players who was drafted in the open draft this year: $8
Rookies: anyone who was not picked up in the draft: $4
You can keep a max of 5 players.
For every year you keep a player, their cost rises $4.
Each player kept counts as a draft pick. (not totally sure what rounds keepers should count for yet, let's go with 1st round for Vets, 10th round for Rooks.)
Now by picking up a guy who went undrafted, you can keep him for $4 and loose a much less valuable pick, so not only can you keep young guys, but anyone no one trusted enough to draft (Magglio, Griffey, etc). after this year their value will go up $4 and cost a first round pick like anyone else. it's like signing a vet for the minimum and gettinng a nice return
keeper system
got stoned and came up with this. we could go in any direction, but this one sounds good. read on, more notes at the bottom:
Keeper System
Everyone has a budget of $24 (imagenary). There are only 2 types of players:
Rookies: anyone with less than (x#) of MLB service days: $4
Studs: anyone else you would keep: $8
You can keep a max of 5 players.
Each player kept counts as a draft pick. (not totally sure what rounds keepers should count for yet)
So, under this system, you can keep 3 studs, 2 studs and 2 rookies, or 1 stud and 4 rookies to spend your entire budget. You could also keep 1 stud, 3 rookies, and draft in the open draft one round sooner than if you kept the max of 4 rookies. You could keep no one and draft the first 3-5 guys in the open draft. Lots of possibilities.
At first I was trying to figure out a middle category of player for $6, but it’s not really worth it. This is simple and I think it still meets all of our criteria. The number of days that qualify a rookie need to be established. I think it should be over one year, but not by much. Find out how many days of service some young guy has who played parts of two seasons that may add up to a little more than 1 year, but the player is still a speculative keeper.
With prior knowledge of this, no one should be allowed to keep rookies this season. With an open draft, I let Pence go; I would not have if I had know this was keeper under this system. If I go get him now, it’s only because I knew the plan changed before everyone else. That’s probably not fair. I don’t really mind, and I doubt u will either.
So maybe this year everyone can keep 2 or 3, all same value, and next year the rewards for cultivating rooks take place. I just don’t see any other way around this pence example.
Brian and I were working on the draft pick compensation for keepers too. Which rounds keepers should count for, and that rookies should take a much lower round than the studs. Also, we should discuss limiting the number of years you can keep someone and/or making it progressively more expensive to keep the same person year to year.
Damn, i keep thinking of more stuff. maybe each year you keep someone, their keeper price goes up $4. Then each year you keep someone, he becomes harder and harder to keep until he either eats up your whole keeper budget or you throw him in the draft pile. if you trade a keeper, his price stays the same until he hits the draft. so if i trade you a-rod next year, he will cost you $12 to keep for 09. if no one keeps him in 09, he can be kept in '10 for $8 again. this promotes keeper turnover and strategy.
A lot could change for next year, as we have a good core group to build around. it would be nice to have 8 serious guys to thin the talent pool out a bit. Maybe we make big changes like this yearly, not all at once. i know justin is trying to get a contracts/salary cap system worked into the league. that could be cool too, even if it's not next year.
we can also talk about exploring roto for a year, making the draft an auction, doing it in person, and of course tinkering with roster size and scoring catagories.
if you didn't finish this post because it's dorky you should probably get out now
Keeper System
Everyone has a budget of $24 (imagenary). There are only 2 types of players:
Rookies: anyone with less than (x#) of MLB service days: $4
Studs: anyone else you would keep: $8
You can keep a max of 5 players.
Each player kept counts as a draft pick. (not totally sure what rounds keepers should count for yet)
So, under this system, you can keep 3 studs, 2 studs and 2 rookies, or 1 stud and 4 rookies to spend your entire budget. You could also keep 1 stud, 3 rookies, and draft in the open draft one round sooner than if you kept the max of 4 rookies. You could keep no one and draft the first 3-5 guys in the open draft. Lots of possibilities.
At first I was trying to figure out a middle category of player for $6, but it’s not really worth it. This is simple and I think it still meets all of our criteria. The number of days that qualify a rookie need to be established. I think it should be over one year, but not by much. Find out how many days of service some young guy has who played parts of two seasons that may add up to a little more than 1 year, but the player is still a speculative keeper.
With prior knowledge of this, no one should be allowed to keep rookies this season. With an open draft, I let Pence go; I would not have if I had know this was keeper under this system. If I go get him now, it’s only because I knew the plan changed before everyone else. That’s probably not fair. I don’t really mind, and I doubt u will either.
So maybe this year everyone can keep 2 or 3, all same value, and next year the rewards for cultivating rooks take place. I just don’t see any other way around this pence example.
Brian and I were working on the draft pick compensation for keepers too. Which rounds keepers should count for, and that rookies should take a much lower round than the studs. Also, we should discuss limiting the number of years you can keep someone and/or making it progressively more expensive to keep the same person year to year.
Damn, i keep thinking of more stuff. maybe each year you keep someone, their keeper price goes up $4. Then each year you keep someone, he becomes harder and harder to keep until he either eats up your whole keeper budget or you throw him in the draft pile. if you trade a keeper, his price stays the same until he hits the draft. so if i trade you a-rod next year, he will cost you $12 to keep for 09. if no one keeps him in 09, he can be kept in '10 for $8 again. this promotes keeper turnover and strategy.
A lot could change for next year, as we have a good core group to build around. it would be nice to have 8 serious guys to thin the talent pool out a bit. Maybe we make big changes like this yearly, not all at once. i know justin is trying to get a contracts/salary cap system worked into the league. that could be cool too, even if it's not next year.
we can also talk about exploring roto for a year, making the draft an auction, doing it in person, and of course tinkering with roster size and scoring catagories.
if you didn't finish this post because it's dorky you should probably get out now
Wednesday, August 8, 2007
Get Well Soon Josh
Everybody wish josh a speedy recovery. As of right now he is down 10-3 to brian. I know it hurts josh but you will get through it i promise.
Get Well Soon,
Aaron
ps. I heard you had some sort of knee surgery. I hope that doesnt hurt either or something.
Get Well Soon,
Aaron
ps. I heard you had some sort of knee surgery. I hope that doesnt hurt either or something.
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